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Ranveer Singh With Sadhguru – In Conversation with The Mystic @IIMBue 2018

Ranveer Singh With Sadhguru – In Conversation with The Mystic @IIMBue 2018


Moderator 2: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you
so much for your patience. Without further ado, I invite Kiran Mazumdar Shaw, to introduce
the speakers and the next session. Thank you. Speaker (Kiran Mazumdar Shaw): Good morning,
everyone. I’m sure you’ll agree that we’ve had a terrific day-one of IIMBue (Referring
to Indian Institute of Management, Bangalore). And now we’re off to a fantastic day-two starting
with an absolutely fantastic session and I have the distinct pleasure of introducing
this much awaited conversation between two iconic celebrities. The first is one of the
most sought after mega stars in Bollywood, a versatile actor par excellence who has captured
the hearts of millions and who can combine wit and serious acting with ease. His portrayal
of historic figures like Bajirao and Alauddin Khilji, have made him legendary in every sense
of the word. And of course, he is undoubtedly a great youth icon (Applause). So may I invite
Ranveer Singh onto the stage (Cheers)? (Background Music) And the other, is one of the most influential
thought leaders of our time. A spiritual mystic, a Padma Vibhushan and a voice of reason and
human advancement. Someone who is one with nature and who understands the dangers of
manmade destruction of our forests and rivers and calls for action through his huge River
Rally. He is also flamboyant and cool. He is also a kind of a youth icon (Applause/Cheers).
He loves golf and he loves bikes, he is often called the mystic… the motorbike mystic
(Ranveer Singh Laughs). So let me also invite Sadhguruji onto the stage (Applause). Sounds of Isha music – Tamil song Alai Alai… I must confess that both Sadhguruji and Ranveer
Singh are two of my favorite people (Sadhguru laughs) and I’m indeed truly grateful that
they made their way to IIMBue 2018. So I can’t wait to get their conversation started. So,
over to both of you, on this wonderful subject of, “Sensing the future through many lenses.”
Thank you (Applause). Sadhguru: At the…At the end of the song
that they played for you, you got shot. Okay? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Yeah (Laughter). Sadhguru: Today, it’s going to be nice. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Yaha se teer
ayenge. (Speaks in Hindi – The arrows will come from here) Good thing I stopped no, Sir,
didn’t go all the way till the end? Isko hatao yaar (Speaks in Hindi – Move him from
here), let’s see Sadhguruji do some dance moves (Laughter) Do you dance, Sir, do you
dance? Sadhguru: Of course (Laughter). How can I
not? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): But like tch,
where, when? Like, do you like… you are at home, just put on some music, full volume,
rock out to Khalliwali (Laughter)? Sadhguru: Generally, I don’t need any music.
I simply dance (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): You… It’s in
your head or there is no music in your head, you’re just dancing? Sadhguru: See, for me, dance is not because
of a music that’s being played – simply because of the rhythm that I have found with
life. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Hai! (Speaks
in Hindi – Wow!) (Gestures flying kisses)(Cheers) So I’m talking about… Sir, I’m a huge
fan and I have become a bigger fan in the past month. I have two best friends – one
is a photographer, one is a film maker and they’re massive fans of Sadhguruji. So when
I told them they were like, “so jealous of you” this, that and the other, “Come,
let me show you some videos.” So for the past month, a lot of my nights are spent watching
hours of YouTube videos of Sadhguruji and I’m watching it with them. And just like this,
they keep gasping. So Sadhguruji is talking and we’re sitting in silence watching. And
then they… they you know, interject with the gasps and gushes like haa (Gestures),
haa (Gestures), haa (Gestures) (Laughter) – thirty-three-year-old grown men, very macho
guys (Sadhguru laughs). The range of your fans is amazing, Sir. So coming to dance,
Sir, I see it as a form of active meditation. You know like, in my experience… when I’ve
like… I’ve been to a lot of raves. You know, I like psychedelic trance music. I think the
one-hundred-and-forty plus bpms (Referring to “Beats per minutes”). It does something
to me when I dance for hours… four hours, six hours, eight hours, nonstop. I feel euphoric.
Does that… Does that resonate with you at all (Laughter)? Sir, I…av… we can tell
you are a party animal, come on (Laughter)! Sadhguru: Well, my party has been normally
telecast all over the place. So people know that we dance for twelve hours from evening
6:00 to morning 6:00 on Mahashivratri nights (laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Wow! The rager…the
OG (Referring to “original gangster” –slang usage) rager (laughter). Sadhguru: So, if we have to take this a little
deeper, because I think that’s what people are expecting that you ask me a gossipy question
and I’m supposed to make it profound for them (Laughter) So it’s like this. This nation…
This nation was named as Bharata or Bharat in Hindi, but generally was called Bharatam
or Bharata. What this means is “Bhava,” “Raga,” and “Tala.” “Bhava” means
sensation. Why we’re talking about sensation is, your whole experience of life right now,
is through sensations. What you see, what you hear, what you smell, what you taste and
what you touch, are different types of sensations. So, your entire experience of life, you may
be interpreting it in many different ways in your intellect but essentially there are…these
are multiple amalgamations of sensations. So that
is the “Bhava.” This is the experience of life. “Raga,” means the tune for this.
Here we have no participation. Existence has already set a tune for us. Our ability to
live this life is only in finding the “Tala” or the rhythm. (Ranveer Singh gestures flying
kiss) If you find the “Tala”, you will dance your life th… your life will be like
a dance. If you don’t find the “Tala”, you will get crushed by the process of life. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Find your Tala
(Addressing to participants) (Applause)! Sadhguru: So, what is happening… whatever
this hundred-and-forty you said or hundred-and-seventy? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Tam ta ta da
da dam tam ta ta da da dam tam ta ta da da dam …fast. Sadhguru: I know but what’s the mb…whatever
mbp… whatever that… (Both laugh) Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): bpm’s – beats
per minute Sadhguru: If you have a certain music which
overpowers your mind… People are down with their own thoughts and emotions…For most
people, unfortunately the cerebral development that has happened in the human being has become
an impediment. Their only problem is they don’t know how to handle their intelligence.
They think misery and suffering is happening due to variety of reasons. No. There is only
one reason – your intelligence has turned against you, that’s all it is. You call
it stress, you call it anxiety, you call it misery, you call it madness, you call it whatever
you want. Essentially, your intelligence has turned against you. A whole lifetime, people
don’t learn how to handle their own thought and emotion. Fifty, sixty-year-olds, still
don’t know how to handle their thoughts and emotions. Thought and emotion is essentially
generated by you, it should happen the way you want. But because of this thought and
emotion being out of control, they can’t feel the rhythm of life. Their psychological realities
have completely overpowered the existential reality. So when you play music which is loud and,
you know, beating itself into you, not just through your ears, through the entire body,
every cell in the body gets the beating, when you’re thrashed like this by sound, now
the psychological reality kind of evaporates and they seem to enjoy that… some ecstasy
of that. So enjoying the ecstasy of music and movement is fine. But, how long? You are
pretty fit, but still your capability is only four hours (Laughter). So many others, many
others who are not as fit as… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Four hours twice
a day, tch (Gesturing a wink at the participants). Sadhguru: Many others who are not as fit as
you, they won’t last four minutes in dancing. That’s a fact. So, when you finding the
rhythm only happens for four minutes or four hours or whatever amount of time, that means
you will never know the rhythm of life just by the nature of your existence. So, one must
know the ecstasy of existence, not ecstasy of action alone. Action is beautiful simply
because it’s coming from that dimension. If you’re trying to find joy or ecstasy in your
action, you will become enslaved to that action. See, now people can’t take off the headphones,
they are crossing the street with headphones on with whatever hundred-and-forty pmp (bmp?)
whatever (Both laugh), and they… many are getting killed. Many are getting killed, simply
because their headphones are on. Because right now, they can’t feel any pleasantness without
something thumping in their ears or in one way, what they’re trying to do is somehow
keep the intellect away so that sound can do it, visuals can do it, sensations can do
it. Anything can do it. Any of the five sense organs, if you force it in a certain way,
you will not feel thought and emotion. So people think that is freedom. No. You’re
getting enslaved to something else. So it’s very important that you can sit silently here
and still be ecstatic. This needs to happen to every human being. Otherwise, inevitably
you will get enslaved to something, maybe music, maybe dance. All this is going to kill
you. If you dance twenty-four hours a day, you’re going to die (Laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): That’s a lovely
thought, Sir (Applause). Absolutely, I mean… I hope to reach that stage of evolution and
awareness where I can… Sadhguru: We can…We can get you there (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): … be ecstatic.
I have to hang with you little bit more, Guruji. (Sadhguru laughs) I know I will get there.
So, which (this?) brings me to something very exciting. Sir, you went for the World Cup?
I’m so jealous (Sadhguru laughs)! I’m slogging it out, shooting ads twelve hours a day here,
you are hanging out and… I’m damn jealous. Did you go for the World cup? How was that? Sadhguru: No…I’m…I’ve…Yes I did.
But I’ve been dreaming of going to World Cup football from the age of twelve or thirteen.
So here I am (Gestures to his beard), now I make it. You wait, hmm. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Wow. Younger
than ever (laughter). How was it, Sir? Tell us… Tell us how was your experience, to
such a… such a lifelong dream coming true, witnessing the greatest spectacle in the world? Sadhguru: Spectacle is of course fantastic
in its own way and we have to congratulate the organizing capabilities of the azor…of
Russia and the way they did the organization, almost everybody who was there was saying
never before another World Cup has been organized like this. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): So lovely. Sadhguru: There were thousands of volunteers
across the towns, across the city, both Moscow and St. Petersburg where I attended the events.
Just about every hundred, two hundred meters, there would be somebody standing, smiling
at you and if you look little confused, they will approach you and ask “Where do you
need to go? What… What do you need?” Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): How lovely. Sadhguru: Just about everything and they had…
many of them had breakfast coupons and things like that. If somebody is looking around for
food, they say, “Why don’t you have it?” Free! The level of organization was so fantastic
and it was done so joyfully and wonderfully. I thought this is the way we should organize
events. When we organize a (an?) event, it’s not just about the event, the whole city needs
to be organized in a beautiful way. We do like this in our events but seeing a government-managed
event to happen like this was really fantastic. Football – of course, I love the game. People
kept on asking me “Which team? Sadhguru, which team will you root for?” I said, “I
root only for football.” Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Lovely. Sadhguru: Only…Only disappointment was I
wanted to see James Rodriguez play. But unfortunately Columbia got knocked out before I went there
(laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): James Rodriguez?
That’s an interesting choice. You like him as a player, Sir? Sadhguru: Hmm? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): You like him
as a player? That’s an interesting choice. Sadhguru: Oh, he’s… he’s not found enough
exposure but when it comes to the game, he’s not a player. He’s almost like an artist
on the ground. That’s how it is (laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Agreed… Agreed.
I watch a lot of him too. So really…Well, you were impressed with the organization of
the World Cup. Very good, I mean kuch toh accha kiya Putin ne, eh? (Speaks in Hindi
– Putin did at least something nice) (Laughter). Sir, they should come and see how they…we
do Ganapati visarjan (Speaks in Marathi – Immersion process of Lord Ganesha) in Mumbai. It’s
epic (Laughter/Cheers), epic. You should see our organization over there (laughter/Applause).
Sir… Sadhguru: Well, you just have to drive in
Bangalore (Laughter/Applause). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): So…So Sir,
what about like you… you thoroughly enjoyed watching the football. But, what do you think
about… what… what is your take on sports? It’s competition, you know, it’s… isn’t
it based on one-upmanship? Isn’t it… Aren’t you telling young kids that it’s about winning,
you know? As a child, I wasn’t… I didn’t get any kick out of winning, really. It was
very like minimal for me. I used to really just enjoy playing cricket, playing football.
The process was so enjoying. I used to enjoy competing with someone, but winning wasn’t…
You know, (Sounds like – others?) used to be like “you have to win”, you know, teachers,
my dad was like, “it’s all about winning” and all. But, it was not for me. It didn’t
resonate for me. So what is this whole thing about like… What should we… How should
we inculcate young kids into sport? What do you tell them? Is it about winning? Sadhguru: See, winning is only a desire. Game
is the process. Process is the game rather. If you don’t conduct the process right, winning
will just be a desire. All the thirty-two took… All the thirty-two teams came with
the desire to win. But only one wins, because they handled the process right, not because
they had a stronger desire than others. So, this is a culture where we always insisted
on process. But today we have taken this from outside – we have become a goal-oriented society.
That means our desire has become more important than the process. Only if you conduct the
process right, the results will come. Right now, there are flowers. If you want flowers
in your garden, if you go and do “flower, flower” meditation, flower will not come
(Laughter). If you want flowers in the garden you need to handle soil, manure, water, sunlight.
Soil doesn’t look like a flower. A manure definitely doesn’t smell like flower. Water
doesn’t feel like flavour (flower?), not does the sunlight do. But if you handle these things
right, flowers will happen. Flowers will happen only to those people who handle the process
right. Unfortunately, we have shifted our attention to the goal. In yoga, there is a saying. In the yogic culture
this is a very basic process. That is, we say if you have one eye on the goal, you have
only one eye to find your way, which is very inefficient. If you use both your eyes to
find the way, depending upon the times and your strength and capabilities, you will get
to a place that you need to get. You’re not concerned who is getting where. The question
is only, are you operating to your full potential. That’s all it is, life. “I want to be better
than you” – this is not going to get you anywhere. So if I want to be better than you
or if I want to be better than somebody… Suppose the one next to me is a lame person.
I will walk little faster than… than him and I think I’m doing great. It’s very important
a human being focuses upon himself or herself and explores the full potential of who we
are. How somebody else is doing is not your business. You can enjoy what somebody is doing.
But the moment you’re concerned that “they’re doing better than me or I want to be better
than them”, you bring a whole lot of unnecessary emotions into your life which destroys you
in a very basic way (Laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): That’s lovely,
Guruji. I say this all the time you know, entertainment media in Mumbai keeps asking,
“Competition chal raha hai aaj kal, aap ki film ne teen so carod kiye, unki film ne
bhi teen so carod kiye, competition chal raha hai” (Speaks in Hindi – There is competition
now-a-days. Your movie has made three hundred crore, their movie has also made three hundred
crore. There is competition). I was like, it’s not competition, I don’t want to be better
than anybody. I just want to do well myself, I just want to enjoy what I am doing. And
I think that fulfils me. Enjoyment out of… When I’m doing something, if I’m enjoying
that process, it’s very fulfilling for me. Sadhguru: See, in our lives, if we do not
do what we cannot do, that’s not a problem. But if we do not do what we can do, we are
a disaster (Applause). So, if… if when I’m doing something, I’m always looking at what
you are doing, inevitably I will not do what I can do and I will become a disaster. It’s
very important that I’m doing everything I can do absolutely. And if you are doing something
different, I can look at you once in a way, just for the joy of seeing somebody’s success.
But if you’re concerned about how to be better than somebody, you cannot enjoy anybody’s
success, nor can you enjoy your own success (Applause). (Ranveer Singh gesturing flying
kiss towards Sadhguru)I’m not one of those female fans hmm (Laugher/Cheers/Applause).
Do…Do it there, hmm! Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): You know, Guruji.
I feel everything you are saying. I don’t want to be better than anyone. Sadhguru: See, you…No, you change the direction.
It will be a… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): You know, Guruji,
I feel all of these things, I genuinely feel them. I don’t want to be better than anybody.
I want to enjoy my process. Enjoy what I’m doing, enjoy what other people are doing.
I’m just not able to articulate it. Sadhguru: That’s why I’m here (laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): That’s why
you are here (Laughs). So which brings me to this concept… you mentioned success,
you know and everybody you know, I have noticed is trying to define success. Along the way,
I came across a meaning that I really like. It was, “success is the magnitude of the
beneficial footprint that you can leave on society.” I like that definition. One of
the definitions of success that I liked. But what…what is… what is your take on this
concept? What is success? I mean, we’re here… Is the purpose of life… Are we here
to procreate? If we procreate, are we successful? Like… what is… how do… how do you consider
yourself like, “hah, now I am successful”? Sadhguru: Well procreation, we’ve done a lot
in the country (Both laugh). This definition what you said will lead to make life absolutely
utilitarian. Even my success should be useful. Well, a peacock is dancing. What is the use
of it? There is no use and that’s what is beautiful about it. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): To attract the
mate no? I thought. That’s what I do, I’m sorry. Sadhguru: No, not to your eyes. You shouldn’t
get… You shouldn’t get attracted, ____(Unclear) (Laughter) The thing is, everything that’s
beautiful in the world, what is the use of it? This is why people are askin… asking
this everlasting dumb question, “What is the purpose of life?” Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Sir, I put … So
yesterday, I put a tweet out saying “I’m meeting Sadhguruji tomorrow, what should I
ask him?” And eighty percent was, “What is the purpose of life? What is the purpose
of life? What is the purpose of life?” I was like, guys just come up with something
else. Please! Sadhguru: So when you ask “what is the purpose
of life”, essentially you’re asking, “what is the use of life”. There is no use. Even
if you were not born, everything would be fine. Believe me (Laughter). Actually it would
be better (Laughter/Applause). There is no purpose. Life is a phenomenon beyond this
nonsensical logical calculations about what is the purpose of this, what is the purpose
of that, what is the use of this? There is no use. It is just that life is a bigger phenomenon
than your intellect. Your intellect is just a small part of this life. Unfortunately you
are thinking life is contained in your intellect. No. Your intellect is contained in this life
process. Just one aspect of it. It’s just one dimension of intelligence. There are many
other dimensions of intelligence. Today science is telling you, what a bug knows
you do not know; (Sounds like – good/what?) a grasshopper knows, you do not know actually,
isn’t it so? From Bangalore, from here in this Karnataka, there are dragonflies – you’ve
seen the dragon flies – every year they’re traveling all the way to Africa… east….
African east coast, multiplying there and again coming back, okay? Without any kind
of navigation equipment or anything. These tiny little insects, they’re going all the
way to Africa and coming back. Could you do it? I’m asking. Without any instruments?
Could you just follow the waves and simply on…. sit on a log and go to Africa and come
back? I’m saying, look at the intelligence in a small insect. Like this, intelligence
is all over the place. The entire universe is just a living intelligence. You have captured
a little bit too (Laughter/Applause). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): So Sir, today
we are here essentially to sense the future. Now what is this? Why have we given this title
to this session – “Sensing the future”? Now I’ve heard you before saying, “the moment
right now is eternity.” This time travel, past, present (Sadhguru laughs), past… future
is all nothing. Everything is now. Sadhguru: It doesn’t matter what I say, you
tell me, have you ever experienced? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Tell… Tell
Saif. Tell him that this “sensing the future” ye galat hai (Referring to Hindi – This
is wrong). Sadhguru: No, no, no, that’s not what… (Laughs) Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): What is future?
What is… Future is what? Sadhguru: Generally, when people want to know
future, they go to an astrologer (Laughter). Or they go to a match fixer (Laughter). So,
people want to find a job, they will want to go and find out through an astrologer or
whatever other crystal gazers or whatever, they want to find out “what will happen
through my career” or they want to get married, they want to go and ask somebody “what will
happen in my marriage.” I think it’s obscene. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): “Obscene”
is the word you choose? Sadhguru: Yes. “How am I going to live with
my wife” – you want somebody… third person to tell you, I think it is obscene (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I have to agree. Sadhguru: So essentially you’re a match fixer.
No. I’m not saying matchmaking like that. It’s a match fixer. So, before you enter the
game, you want to know the result. That’s what it is. So I can tell you right now, what
will happen at the end of your life. We will be aten… attending your funeral (Laughter).
That’s what will happen. Yes. If you want to know the future, I will tell you right
now. Hello? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): le deke toh ye
he hone wala hai bhaiya. (Referring to Hindi – All give and take will end in this only,
brother). Sadhguru: So, on the way what will happen?
That’s what you want to know. Tch, on the way to my grave, what will happen on the way?
Believe me, if I tell you everything moment to moment what will happen in the next, whatever
number of years you’re going to live, you will see in three days, you will get so desperate.
Somehow you will want to disprove what is said and you may commit suicide, just to prove
me wrong (Few laugh). Because it’ll become so frustrating that everything is written
down, what you will do and what you will not do. It will become so frustrating, you will
not want to live. So when you’re in this state of mind, when I say in this state of mind,
if you… if I tell you what will happen tomorrow, most people will not be capable of participating
in today. I’m made like this, even if I know exactly what will happen tomorrow, today
everything that I do, I will do it as if my life depends on it, even though I know the
result tomorrow (Applause). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I think… I
think everybody should live like that. Live in the “now.” Like, do what you are doing
at that point, man. Sadhguru: But… But most people, if they
come to know what will happen tomorrow, they will not participate today. That means they
won’t live. So the… it is best that they do not know what is tomorrow. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): So, can we change
the topic to “Sensing right now?” Sadhguru: No, no…No, no, sensing… sensing
tomorrow is not in that sense (laughs). Sensing tomorrow is, so that we do the right things
today. You have some picture of tomorrow so that you can do the right things today. That’s
important. If we don’t foresee in some way, then we won’t know how to do anything in our
life. So sensing tomorrow is one thing. Predicting tomorrow is another thing. Having absolutes
of tomorrow is a total foolishness or (Sounds like – he’s/it’s?) a mystic (Both laugh). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Sir, you know,
I have… I feel technology constantly evolving and I have a feeling like mobile phones have
really changed the way we are. You know, it’s having a huge bearing on pretty much everything.
It’s permeating everything. Social media, mobile phones, this kind of technology…
like sometimes I wonder were human beings ever meant to communicate like this, like
I could be hanging in a jungle in Africa talking to somebody who is at the north pole. You
know that kind of communi… I could be face timing with them now. I can actually see their
face. You know. So, this kind of… Sadhguru: Instead of being with a chimpanzee,
you are being with a (an?) eskimo. Wrong. (Both laugh). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): So… Sadhguru: You went to Africa to be with a
chimpanzee, not with a (an?) eskimo. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): But I’m saying
I still have that capability thanks to technology and with that now comes along social media.
It’s really changing things, you know? And as like people who are… kids who are eighteen,
nineteen now, are much more into it. They know how to use these things much better.
Like I… I still was born when there were landlines, you know. So face-time is still
a trip for me. So what is your take on, you know, mobile phone technology and social media,
what is it doing? How is it… Is it the new evolution? Like this is what human beings
were and now we hsve a cell phone and that is the extension of us now. Sadhguru: See, every machine we have created
is just about this – extending our faculties in some way. We have visual capabilities.
So, we have a telescope and a microscope. We can speak. So, we have a microphone and
a telephone. Like this every technology is just an extension of our existing faculties.
Now if I speak through a landline, it was okay. But now I have a mobile phone which
is far more comfortable. Now, that is not okay? No, it’s perfectly okay. I know what
landlines meant. I’m talking about thirty-five, thirty-six years ago when I was driving all
over the country, building Isha foundation. Village to village, town to town, always on
the road. So I have telephone days. I don’t know whether you have seen those things. Maybe
you are too… no, you… you should have seen. The blue boxes you know? Those telephone
booths, local, STD, ISD, those blue boxes, horrible tin boxes. So on the highway I will find one blue box.
It’s my day to call. So I never had a telephone book, Very easily, I remembered eight hundred
to nine hundred numbers and names. So I go… first as soon as I go, I will pull out 5000
rupees and give it to that guy. He won’t understand why. I said, “Just keep it. This
is a down payment for you,” because normally a call costs you five rupees, ten rupees,
fifteen rupees like this. I give him 5000 rupees, he doesn’t know what’s coming (Ranveer
Singh Laughs). Now I go into the booth, this black horrible smelling phone, some of them
had it serviced with some perfume. Rest were… everybody’s bad breath was there in it (Ranveer
Singh Laughs). Then I call and call and call four, five, six hours. I make all the calls
I need to make for the month. And then people… other people who want to make phone call,
some local call, something, they all come there, they’re gesticulating at me that
I’m not coming out. But that guy takes care of them because I already pay him… paid
him 5000 bucks (Both laugh). So I would finish all my calls and get into my car and drive
on. Today, if I just tell somebody’s name, my phone calls, yeah, it’s a done thing. I’m
hugely appreciating the technology (Laughter/Applause). Some people are complaining, but they’re complaining
not about the technology. They do not know that what they’re actually complaining is
about their own compulsiveness. Compulsive usage has come. This problem is not just with
phone. If they start eating, they don’t know when to stop eating. If they start drinking,
they don’t know when to stop drinking. If they start doing something they don’t know
when to stop it. So this compulsiveness is there on all aspects of life. Now the gadget
has become a drug. It keeps people engaged. But it’s also keeping lot of people out of
drink (laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): At least there’s
something good about it (laughter). Sadhguru: So compulsiveness is not what we
need to handle. Technology is a tremendous enabler, nobody should ever complain about
it. Otherwise, we must put you in that blue box with a black phone, you will understand
even my finger used to hurt a lot at the end of the phone calls (Laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Guruji, I keep
wondering what is it that prompts you to travel, share your knowledge, share your wisdom with
others? Why wouldn’t you… like say “ye sab moho maya hai” (Referring to Hindi – All
this is false attraction and illusion) and give it all up, go to the mountains and meditate
(laughter). I fantasize about doing that. I’m like, one day, I’m going to leave all
of this. I’m going to go sit on top of a mountain and meditate. Sadhguru: See, you would… anybody for that
matter would want to drop this and do something else, wha… why? Because in some way they’re
finding this burdensome, isn’t it? I don’t have to go on a mountain top to meditate.
I’m meditative every moment of my life. Tch, you just check my pulse rate and see (Ranveer
Singh gesturing flying kiss towards Sadhguru) You always bowling in the wrong direction
(Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Oh sorry… You
are saying such chumma things. You watched Padmavat na last night (laughter)? Sadhguru: So you check my pulse rate, you
will see I’m always meditative. So I don’t have to go somewhere to meditate. This is
what I was saying when the previous “What’s the purpose of life” came. See, if you fix
a purpose of life, you will do what you think is right. If you don’t fix any purpose to
life, you will do whatever is needed. And that’s what is most important today. That
we do what is needed, not what we fancy. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I don’t know
what is it that I need to do. How will I know (Few laugh)? Sadhguru: See… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Can I… Can
I be honest with you? And tell you that I find a com… truth haa… I feel a compulsion
to entertain people. Does that make any sense to you? Sadhguru: Yes? So many people cannot even
smile or laugh, unless they sit in a cinema. They can’t do it with their neighbors, they
can’t do it with their family. The best place for them is a cinema hall. They can
laugh because it’s a dark place (Laughter). So you’re doing a good job, I heard (Laughter/Applause). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I… Sometimes
I feel like there’s nothing better I can do with myself than to entertain people, you
know. It’s like… This is one thing I know I can do it well and I can you know, I can
make people smile. I love to do that. You know, when somebody sees me on the road, they’re
like “Ahh” (Gesturing) and then I am like “Yeh” (Gesturing), you know, you give
that energy back to them and it lights them up and I find it fills me up with some euphoric
feeling. Sadhguru: It is also needed, right now. Entertainment
is very needed, because people are not simply ecstatic by themselves. Entertainment is very,
very needed. Otherwise, a lot of them would sink into depressions. So, you’re doing a
very cheap psychiatry (Laughter). When I say cheap, I mean inexpensive. Not cheap means
that way, no, no, no. I didn’t mean that way (Laughter). I meant very… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Arey, it’s
not cheap. Five hundred bucks to go to a Multiplex, now-a-days. Thik hai (Speaks in Hindi – Okay)! Sadhguru: I know. But to go to a psychiatrist,
do you know what’s the fee (laughter)? So, inexpensive psychiatry. At least they go there,
for those three hours they feel good and they come. Especially in a country like India,
where a whole lot of people are in… living in abject poverty, I think cricket and cinema
is keeping the mood of the country little up. I wish, slowly that changes, in the sense,
that people will be joyful by their own nature. They don’t need … Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Arey, please
Guruji, I will be out of a job yaar (Laughter). Sadhguru: Then I will teach you how to do
something else which will still… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Asli (Speaks
in Hindi – Real/True) psychiatry (laughter). This is a question that you know sometimes…
this is not my particular… Sadhguru: No, no. When I was… I… I was
never interested in the, you know, the examinations and things that happened. But I saw people
sometimes, many times, desperately copying answers in the examinations… some things
like that. But I never saw anybody copying questions like this. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): What do you mean,
yaar (Laughter/Applause)? Guruji, this is not fair, huh. So diligently I’ve done my
homework and all, I’ve come with sheets and all (Laughter). So this was an in… by
just… just so you know. I’ve not followed any of this. I just made my point, so I don’t
miss any. There’s some stuff I really want to ask you. This is an introduction. Guruji
ayenge, ye bolna… (Referring to Hindi – Guruji will come, you have to say this) Sadhguru: That’s what they said when they
were caught copying. They said “No Sir, I didn’t do it (Laughter/Cheers).” Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): mein toh khullam
kulla kar raha hu yaar (Referring to Hindi – I am doing in openly) It’s a fact. Just,
I toh put it out on twitter, Sir. Where I’m khullam khulla (Referring to Hindi – very
openly) I’m Khula sand (Referring to Hindi – Open bull/macho) (Laughter). So I really…This
is you know, not my time of the day. It’s really early in the morning. This is my time
to be plugged into the matrix to be in the rat race, achieve, achieve, acquire, acquire.
And then something happens to me after midnight, when the day is over. I become really relaxed
and then like I have these extas… existential thoughts and I start thinking about other
things and this… this thing always fascinates me. I find that… I find the universe to
be in some kind of dichotomy. I want you to explain that to me. I know you can elaborate
on it because I’ve seen so many… seen you talk for long on YouTube. I know you will
tell me something, because I’ve never been able to figure it out. Sadhguru: See, I never said your movie was
too long (laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Sir, you will
have to take it up with Mr Bhansali. Meine toh kaha tha (Referring to Hindi – I had
already said so) (Laughter). Sadhguru: No, no… (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Unke scenes kato,
mere scenes dalo, meine toh kaha tha (Referring to Hindi – Cut their scenes, put my scenes,
I had already said so) (Laughter). So, Sir you know there’s always… there’s like…there’s
light-darkness, black-white, yes-no, life-death. There’s always… I always find the universe
to be in some kind of dichotomy, you know. Sadhguru: Is… Is the… Is that the sense
in which you talking about? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): But is it like…do
you find that too? Sadhguru: No. I want to understand. In what
sense are you calling it as a dichotomy? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Like… whatever…
like when I have these thoughts, I’m like there’s always two things at play, you know?
In… In every, every aspect of life, big-small, there’s always an opposite. Is… like…
Can you elaborate on that? Sadhguru: I need a few minutes. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Yeah. Bhari sawal
poocha hai bhai ne (Referring to Hindi – Brother has asked a profound question) (Laughter/Applause). Sadhguru: About… Before coming to the dichotomy,
the very way you’re characterizing yourself and the question you are asking itself is
a dichotomy. People always thought Charlie Chaplin was very funny. But, if you listen
to his private talks and things like that, there was a deep sense of agony in him. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Yeah, he was
especially sensitive to the agonies of life. What an artist! Sadhguru: Yes. But, when you see him on the
screen, he just made it just so ridiculously funny, hilarious all the time. Everything,
every step, every act, not just some act, just every step and every act is hilarious.
If you sit in front of… If you sit watching a Charlie Chaplin movie, you don’t laugh at
a particular thing. You just laugh at everything. So, because there was such a deep agony, he
decided instead of sharing this agony with people, he decided at least he’ll make them
laugh and… because, somewhere he understands this agony could exist in a whole lot of people
in different measure, of course. So, when we say dichotomy, we’re talking about contradictions.
You said light and darkness. Let’s take that because that’s a very basic… Day and night,
light and darkness. There are many ways to look at this. One fundamental way is like
this. There is light, right now. You know there is light right now, only because you
have seen darkness. Suppose let us say, twenty-four hours of the
day everything from your childhood, everything was lit, you would not know what is light.
So you know light, only because in some way you have tasted darkness. You know what is
white, only because you have seen the black. You know what is a man, only because you have
seen a woman. You know what’s a day, only because you’ve seen a night. So, what seems
to be contradictory on the logical level of your mind in terms of making of life, they’re
complimentary to each other. They’re working with each other, but pretending to be opposite
to each other. This is why in this culture, everywhere in
the world not just here, in one way or the other, they figured this and they made it
in so many ways. They called it “Yin and Yang,” here, we called it “Shiva-Shakti.”
And if you see the images of Shiva, one half of him is man, another half of him is woman,
physically. Because what is being depicted here is, this is the nature of physical existence.
As long as… As long as your experience of life is limited to physical… When I say
“physical”, right now everything that you can see, has to be physical, isn’t it
so? Can you see something that’s not physical? Can you hear something that’s not physical?
Can you smell, taste or touch that which is not physical? Or in other words, your entire
experience of life is physical. Even your thought and emotion is physical. We can measure
it today. We can measure your thought and emotion, that means it’s physical. So your whole experience of life is limited
to the physical dimension of the existence. And the very nature of physicality, can only
happen with this (Gesturing). Even if you take the basic electric charges, there is
a positive and the negative, without that it will not work. If you take an atom, there
are positives and negatives. So the very construction of physical nature is between two opposites
or two complementary dimensions of life. So when you live here, if you live here with
the necessary perception, in a very brief amount of time, one can realize this contradiction
or this complementary nature of these two things can go on playing endlessly upon you
without taking you anywhere. When you realize that, that the physical will not get you anywhere,
that is when you turn spiritual. It does not mean you have rejected the physical. You’re
still living in the body, you are still living in this world. It is physical, but this is
the longing of every human being. It is not just some spiritual person. Every human being is trying to touch something
beyond what they’re right now. If you know money, you’re just thinking more money. If
you know power, you’re thinking more power. If you know pleasure, you’re thinking more
pleasure. If you know love, more love. If you know knowledge, more knowledge. Whatever
it is, you are always trying to touch something more. If it finds this longing to become something
more, if it finds a very basic physical expression, we call this sexuality. All you’re trying
to do is be something more, than what you are. Something that’s not you, you’re trying
to make it a part of yourself. If it finds an emotional expression, we call this love.
Once again, emotionally you’re trying to make something that is not you, as a part of yourself.
If it finds a mental expression, it gets labelled as greed, ambition, conquest or simply shopping
(Both laugh). Something that’s not you, you’re trying to make it yourself. But if it finds
a conscious expression, then we call it yoga. Yoga means union, Yoga doesn’t mean twisting
and turning. Yoga means union. Why do you have to know union? Because that’s the nature
of the existence. On the surface, it seems contradictory. If you go deep enough, suddenly
it is not contradictory. There is a union. What is it that separates you from the rest?
Right now all of you can do this experiment. You also. Take your right hand and touch your
left hand. Is that you? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I mean… Sadhguru: Is that you? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): It’s a part
of me… Sadhguru: It’s not you? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): It’s me. Sadhguru: It’s you. Touch the seat on which
you’re sitting. Is that you? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Now I’ll go very
deep haa, Guruji (Laughter). I can also do. Sadhguru: Go (Laughter)… Go as deep as you
are (laughter). It’s not you obviously. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): No yaar, it is
me yaar. Everything is me (Laughter). Sadhguru: Everything is you? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Pura Brahmaand
(Referring to Hindi – Whole universe/existence) Sadhguru: Hmm? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Huh (Both Laugh)?
You know…I … I believe… Sadhguru: Hmm… (Laughter) Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Yeah everything
is… Sadhguru: See, this is the problem of being
born in India. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): You only said
it… You only said it (Laughter). Sadhguru: That is, too much spiritual jargon
is all over the place without any living experience (Laughter/Applause/Cheers). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): This is what
happens. This is what happens when you do…watch too much “late night Sadhguru” on YouTube
(Laughter). Sadhguru: Everybody is talking Anda Pinda
Brahmanda (Referring to Sanskrit – Origin of life and the universe) but even if a mosquito
bites, it bothers them (laughter). So it clearly tells you this is me, this is not me. What
is telling you this? It’s just your sensations, isn’t it? Here if you touch there is a sensory
response. Here, if you touch, there is no sensory response or in other words, what you’re
saying is whatever is within the boundaries of my sensation is me. Whatever is outside
the boundaries of my sensation is not me, isn’t it so? Isn’t it so? There’s water
in this, nothing else, okay (Both laugh), because this happened. I was… I had to go for one match. I had
to go to Petersburg and come back to Moscow for another match. So at the airport we had
a… these days, they don’t give me plastic bottles of water. They always have glass bottles
of water. There’s a glass bottle and that has the same shape as usually how the Vodka
bottles are made, you know. And this body came in the screening in the airport and the
lady said “You can’t take it.” So the person who was with me pulled out the bottle
and said “Sadhguru, would you like to drink?” I took it up and I started drinking. I drank
half the bottle. That lady’s face just went pale. She started telling the others saying
“He’s just drinking, he’s drinking.” Then this person is trying to explain to her.
“No, it’s water,” but she doesn’t understand a word of English. She just started almost
getting hysterical, “He’s drinking half a bottle of vodka, right here!” Then we
went close and showed it’s printed in Russian, it is water. Then, “Hah!” she said. But
the bottle was like that. So the question is this. There is water here.
Is this you? Hello? No. If you drink it, does it become you? Yes? Right now over seventy
percent of your body is water. So what was outside, if you include it into the boundaries
of your sensation, it becomes you, isn’t it (Applause)? This is how you gathered this
entire body, the food that you eat and the water that you drink, slowly you gathered
into the boundaries of your sensation and now it feels hundred percent like you. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I’m gathering
a lot of protein these days (Gesturing). Sadhguru: So what is not you becomes you every
day. Every day it’s happening to you. What yoga means is, you make your life energies
so exuberant that your sensory body expands. You’ve heard a phantom leg? Somebody lost
a leg, though their physical leg is gone, they still have all the sensory leg in place.
Because sensory body has a presence of its own. If you become very exuberant within yourself,
you will see your sensory body will spread. Suppose your sensory body became as large
as this hall, you would experience all these people, just as you experience your hands
and fingers. If your sensory body became as large as this universe, you experience the
entire universe as a part of yourself. That is when somebody calls you that you’re a yogi.
That means you’ve experienced the union (Applause). Now, if for one moment, if you experienced
all these people really like how you experience your body, you experienced all these people,
for just one moment, after that do I have to teach you morality? “Thou shall not kill.”
“Thou shall not steal.” “Thou shall not harm.” Do you have to teach them various
kinds of morality? What is a part of you, you have no issue with it of any kind, isn’t
it? This is what essentially spiritual process means. That is, you transcended… transcended
the limitations of your physical existence. Spirituality does not mean looking up or looking
down. Spiritual process means you understood the limitations of physical and ex… extended
your experience to something beyond your physical nature. Because what is physical about you
is fully accumulated from outside. Even the first two cells was given to you by somebody,
isn’t it? Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Even the first two cells are not
yours; your parents gave it to you. Rest of it, is just earth. Most people don’t get it
till you bury them (Few laugh). But if you get it right now that what you’re carrying
as my body, is just a piece of the planet, what you’re carrying as my mind, is just what
you’ve gathered from the society in which you exist, beyond this, there is something
called life – this must come into your experience. If that comes into your experience, this dichotomy
business is gone. Because this contradictory nature or complementary nature of opposites,
is only related to the physical existence. Physical is like the peel of a fruit. The
peel of the fruit is there, only as a protective layer. But right now we have made a world,
where people are busy eating the peel. But the problem with the peel is, if it was totally
bitter, by now everybody would be enlightened. The problem is there are spots of sweetness
in the peel. People are trying to make juice out of that (Applause). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I want to look
within, what do I need to do, Guruji? I want to… If I were to say this… make this statement,
I want to be at one, at peace with myself, what do you suggest I do? Sadhguru: See, peace is a very poor aspiration
(Laughter). No. Why I’m saying this is… No, this is not to just negate you. Unfortunately,
even so-called spiritual leaders are going about saying, the ultimate goal of life is
to be peaceful. I’m asking all of you a simple question. Every one of you know the answers.
It’s just that somehow you’re determined not to use it in your life. It’s not that
you do not know. Tell me, can you enjoy your lunch if… Even if you’re not ecstatic, at
least you must be peaceful to enjoy your lunch, isn’t it so? Hello? A handful of people
who live around you, work with you, can you enjoy their presence, even if you are not
blissful, at least you must be ples… peaceful, isn’t it? Just to enjoy your walk on the
street, you must at least be peaceful. Is it so? So I’m asking, is peace a fundamental
requirement in your life or is it the ultimate goal of your life? Fundamental requirement.
So why is somebody making it as the last thing that will happen in your life? It must be
the first thing that happens to you, isn’t it (Applause)? So do not… do not ever hold peace as a (an?)
ultimate aspiration. Because peace is a basic requirement. Every creature, if their stomach
is full they sit peacefully, except human beings. Yes or no? You have a dog at home?
Feed him well. He sits there peacefully, isn’t it? What is the human problem? The human problem
is just this – they are not able to handle their own intelligence. That’s all their problem
is. This happened, unfortunately. About two-and-a-half months ago, a lady… a television anchor
in Andhra Pradesh jumped off the fifth floor window and killed herself and she left a note.
“Nobody is responsible for my death. My brain is my enemy.” She articulated it one
hundred percent. In fact, this is the reality with most human beings. It is their brains,
which is the problem. You remove half their brains, they will all sit peacefully (Laughter)
Hey, you must act, you must act, how they will sit (Applause/Cheers). No, if you remove
half their brains how they will sit. You are the actor, you must show (laughter/Applause) Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): So then, Sir,
if peace is the basic requirement, what…what’s a better way of being? Ecstasy… Ecstatic? Sadhguru: See, let’s understand this. Peace
means a certain stability. It’s very nice. When things are stable within you, that means
you’re balanced. Then you can use your body and the many faculties that you have in a
sensible way, because you are peaceful. If you are agitated, you cannot use it in a sensible
way, it will go all over the place. As I said earlier, you cannot even do what you can do.
If you cannot do, what you cannot do, that’s not the problem. When you do not do what you
can do, a disaster is unfolding in our life, isn’t it? When you’re not peaceful, this is
what is happening. So that’s a fundamental thing. So if your experience of life… If
your mental state becomes pleasant, we say you’re peaceful. If it becomes very pleasant,
we say you’re joyful. If your physical body becomes pleasant, we say you’re healthy. If
it becomes very pleasant, we say you’re in pleasure. If your emotion becomes pleasant,
we say you’re in love. If it becomes very pleasant, you’re in compassion. If your
very… very life energies become pleasant, you’re blissful. If it becomes very pleasant,
we say you’re in ecstasy. Ecstasy is a certain peak, don’t try to stay there, it’s something
that you hit. How often do you hit is a question for each individual. But to be blissed out every moment of your
life is a living reality for everybody. What is… Is this a goal by itself? No. If you
are blissed out by yourself, what it means is, you’re never the issue in your life. There
are 1000 issues to handle. If you’re not the issue, you would take up every damn issue
in the world and try to handle it, isn’t it? But when you yourself are an issue, what will
you do? You will try to minimize… minimize your life. People are always warning me “Sadhguru,
you’re taking such big projects, if they don’t happen, what… what to do?” If they don’t
happen, what to do? They didn’t happen. But I don’t want to die not trying. Whatever we
can do, we will do. Maybe it will happen. Maybe it will not happen. It depends on times,
it depends on support, it depends on various things. But if you’re blissed out, you are
never the issue in your life. This one thing everybody must make sure. There are 1000 issues
in life. But I’m not the issue. That means you’ve decided, you’re always a part of the
solution, never a part of the problem (Applause). You got it right (Laughter)? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I have a feeling
you and I can hang a lot. We can become bros (Laughter). Sadhguru: I thought we already are (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): You know my best
friend said… Sadhguru: See, both of us… both of us are
looking up only (Gesturing shape of moustache). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Your swag is
unmatchable (Sadhguru Laughs). My best friends did say that when you meet him, your life
will change and I think to a certain degree it has. Thank you, Sir (Applause). Sadhguru: And you… that so many youths are
right now being entertained by you, I want you to take advantage of this. And because
India is a youthful nation, our demographics of such, thirty percent plus are below thirty
years of age. No nation has this. To (So?) this demogra … demographic advantage, will
become an advantage only if we create an inspired, balanced, very clear minded youth in the country.
Otherwise, we will be the biggest mess on the planet. So I want you to use your popularity
and the following of youth that you have, to bring this to them. I’m thinking of dedicating
a certain amount of time for India’s youth. I would like you to be in some way part of
that and make it happen. Thank you. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I’d love to,
Sir. Thank you (Applause). Moderator 2: Thank you, Sadhguruji and Ranveer.
We’ll take some questions from the audience. They are eager to ask you some questions. Sadhguru: Oh… I’m sorry (Laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Fire! Moderator 2: So we’ve these questions appearing
through the app “pigeonhole.” Can I have the questions, please? So they asked the questions
to the app, and then they get voted upon and the questions with the top number of votes
get picked. (Talks aside: I can’t see it) Sadhguru: Technology issues (Laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Meine toh pehle
se hi bola tha Sir, fail hai (Referring to Hindi – I had already said Sir, it’s fail). Moderator 2: Okay. This question now is for
both of you. “To my knowledge, I haven’t seen anybody from our IIM alumnus becoming
a Guruji or an actor. What is your advice and your thoughts on this (Laughter/Applause)? Sadhguru: Maybe he has a manager from IIM.
I don’t know (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Could be, Sir.
Could be. I don’t know. “To my knowledge, I haven’t seen anybody from our IIM alumnus
becoming a Guruji or an actor. What is your advice and your thoughts on this.” Really?
No Mystics? No… No performers? No (Sadhguru laughs)? What do most IIM alumnus become?
You’ll have to enlighten me. Sorry, what? Participants: Boring… Moderator 2: They become boring bankers (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): They become boring?
I see jubilant faces yaar. Jubilant! Sadhguru: So I think our education system,
not just at IIM, right from kindergarten, is life-taking process (Laughter/Applause). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Guruji, why don’t
you open a school? I would love to send my kids there. Sadhguru: You must come and see my school,
how we’re running our school. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Top! Sadhguru: Children want to come there before
the vacations are over. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Beautiful. Sadhguru: But one school is not good enough.
See, we’ve made education system, into an industrial process of turning out certain
kind of products. This is a crime against humanity if you ask me. Right from my childhood,
I never understood why I should go to school. So every day when I’m either cycling to
school or walking to school, these questions came up to me and most of the time I did not
reach the school because, existential questions engaged me (Laughter). So, when they missed
me for too long, you know, tch, what happens. All that drama happened. Then again I went
back for some time and like that. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I love that story
of sitting and staring, sitting and staring, I love that story (Sadhguru laughs). Sadhguru: So about… about why education
does not produce either mystics or even actors, for that matter, because both of them need
some versatility, not a set straightjacket. In a straightjacket, nobody ever became a
mystic. In a straightjacket, maybe in India certain types of actors you can become (Ranveer
Singh laughs). You can do the same thing in every movie and still you are an actor (Laughter).
No, it’s happening… (Laughter). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Agreed yaar,
agreed. Same movie… Same thing everywhere. Sadhguru: I saw only one of yours, so I’m
not making judgement on you. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Sir, mein toh
versatility matlab (Speaks in Hindi – I know versatility) …(Laughs) Sadhguru: So if you have a straightjacket,
you cannot act. You definitely can’t… cannot access other dimensions of life. So this happened
to me about maybe ten, eleven years ago. This school where I studied almost forty-five years
ago, the trustees of the school came to invite me for their hundred-and-twenty-fifth anniversary.
I said “See, please why me (Few laugh)? I was not just a not good student. I was not
even a student” (Laughter). So… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I can tell you.
Shall I tell you what they said? “No, no, Sadhguru, you are the only mystic, you have
to come” (laughter). Sadhguru: He is acting. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Homework, Sir! Sadhguru: So now that you know the story,
we can leave that (Both laugh). Moderator 2: Actually, IIM alumni may not
be actors yet, but I don’t know if you’re aware, Chetan Bhagat who is an IIM alumnus
wrote this book, based on which “Three Idiots” was made. And it was incidentally shot at
the IIMB campus. So obliquely, we are connected to the world of films as well. Sadhguru: But definitely there are individuals
but I’m saying the general system, not just IIM. Right from early school, it is… it
is conditioning the mind to such a limited way of looking at life. You are only cultivating
intellect. You will see all those people who are using their intellect and thinking they’re
doing great, all of them become… will become irrelevant in the next ten to fifteen years’
time. Because everything that you can do by ga… gathering data, analyzing and bullshitting
everybody in the world (Laughter), is not going to work. A Simple… A simple gadget
– your phone will do it. Already the Google lady looks much smarter than you (Laughter)
than your professor, isn’t it? I… I just did not understand what were they
trying to do in that school. I just couldn’t figure what is it they’re trying to do?
Just reading a damn book to me? They just have to teach me how to read. It just goes
on for twelve, fifteen, twenty years, the same thing. This…th… See there are…
there are studies which clearly show, twenty years of formal education, seventy percent
of your intelligence, is irrevocably destroyed (few laugh). That means you have come out
as a knowledgeable idiot (Ranveer Singh Laughs). You’ll have to undo it. Then people talk about
unlearning. Tch, Why? It’s simply unnecessary. There are other ways to do education. All
you have to do for a human being is to develop their body and their brain to the fullest
possible extent. Rest they will do. But none of the schools are focused on this. They are
only interested in how to cram something in that you don’t like, so that you can puke
on the examination day (few laugh). So if you change this system, well, a places
(place?) of learning definitely must create mystics and actors also. Why not? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Yeah. Moderator 2: One of our speakers yesterday,
Mr Saul Singer who sitting here, actually spoke about this beautiful model of Education
in the future, which talked about building resilience and building the other qualities,
which are not taught today in schools. Okay Ranveer, we have this question. I think you
can take a look at it. I’m not quite sure whether you want me to ask you this question
or we will pass and move on to the next question. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I think you should
pass. Moderator 2: Okay, can we have the nest question
please? “Sadhguru, there is a growing concern that we have become an intolerant society.
Have we really become intolerant?” Sadhguru: If you are living in a news room
studio, a television studio, then yes (Applause) But, I have a huge access on a daily basis
to the people of this country. I know this country by first-hand experience. I’ve traveled
and still traveling the country and meeting all sorts of people from tribal women to people
like you. So in my experience the differences of caste, creed, community, has come down
a lot, compared to how it was twenty-five years ago, a lot (Applause). That is the fact.
But still there are terrible things happening in rural India, still happening, still enormous
discrimination. But compared to how it was twenty-five, thirty years ago and how it is
today, there is a world of change. There’s a huge change. If you do not understand, a
thousand-year-old problem cannot be fixed overnight. We just have to keep pushing the
positives and get it there. I will tell you a simple thing. This is almost
nearly maybe thirty-six, thirty-seven years ago when I first was in a village in Tamil
Nadu. I decided to do a program. So somebody offered their large home. So about hundred-and-fifty
people turned up. We did the first day program. Then we served a meal to all of them. Second
day only about seventy-five people turned up. Then I asked “what happened?” They
said “those people that we called yesterday, they’re all that particular caste,” whatever
that is, “we cannot eat with them.” I… I said, then I cannot teach you all this.
I did not teach. I closed and went back. Then when I went home and I thought about it, I
said this is a thousand year old problem, either you can work towards solution or you
can just be very righteous and leave it right there and walk home. Then I went back again
and I said, okay, you guys have a problem eating with them, don’t eat with them. We
will just do the program. They said okay. So we did the program. At the end of the program,
I just devised simple games and made them all play together. They had no problem playing
together because no scripture says you should not play together (Laughter). So they all
played together. That became the “Gramotsav” moment right now. Over ten to fifteen thousand
people participated in the finals of the game, where people gather in huge numbers in Tamil
Nadu. Over seven hundred teams from across Tamil Nadu participate in this. Men, women,
children, all kinds of people participate in these games. These games have taken away
the distinctions, because whoever plays well, that guy becomes a champion. It doesn’t matter
what caste or creed he belongs to. So you can see this that this happened in
United States. You hate the blacks but you cannot help having Magic Johnson’s poster
in your bedroom. You can’t just help it, because he is magic (Ranveer Singh laughs). So the
same thing we did in a smaller scale in rural Tamil Nadu. Why I’m saying this is, this intolerance,
intolerance just going on. This about you know, many unfortunate sexual assaults and
stuff happening, it’s not happening new. Believe me. I have been in the villages and towns,
lynching’s. These things have always been happening, just not been reported, that’s
all. Why does this happen? You need to understand. We are not a… a state or country which is
ruled by law. It’s only society manages its own law. Because there’s not enough policemen,
there is not enough infrastructure. In United States the average time in which a police
car arrives is three minutes and twenty seconds on an average, a policeman arrives fully armed.
You think he’s got only handgun. No. When he opens his boot, he’s got a rifle, a high
powered rifle, he’s got a shotgun and sometimes some of them also have like a small stein
gun. Three to four weapons he has and two of them come, they could handle a crowd of
fifty or hundred people. Here a policeman comes with nothing in his
hands. No even laathi (Speaks in Hindi – Thick, hard Bamboo stick) he doesn’t carry, he comes
on a bicycle. You don’t expect him to handle a frenzied mob. Why is the mob frenzied? I’ve
actually witnessed two lynchings myself? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): What? Sadhguru: Yes. If you live in the villages
of this country for twenty to thirty years minimum one or two lynchings, you will definitely
witness. I was in… in a… in my farm, there is a very remote village. One day I just ride
into this village and I see a big crowd. I parked my motorcycle and I just go and see,
they are just beating a human being like I’ve never imagined possible. Then I try to get
in and try to stop them. They push me aside and they go ahead and the guy dies there on
the street and they bury him right there, outside the village. Then the sub inspector of the local… not
in that town, somewhere else close by. The police station is some ten, fifteen kilometres
away. He was a friend of mine, he was my batch mate. So, I went there and I told him what
is happening. You ne… You need to do something about this. He said I know about it. You don’t
get into this affair. Somewhere they’re building some small dam and somebody starts
a rumour all over the place that they’re taking children and sacrificing for this dam. In
every village this is happening. They… Any strange looking guy enters that village it’s
finished. Thats…They’re going to steal their children. So now it is found technological support,
the rumours are spreading much faster, but even before it was happening unfortunately.
This is because we are… no… there is no law enforcement. This is the way mob enforces
law, unfortunately. We need to change this means, it needs education, it needs evolution
of the society and it needs enforcement. We are not capable of enforcing law for 1.3 or
four billion people with the number of policemen that we have. It is always the society which
decides how to enforce the law. So it is very sad but today people are catching it on the
mobile phone so you’re seeing it. But I’m telling you, if you live in a village for
twenty five, thirty years, you will definitely see at least one lynching in your life, almost
in every village. This happens, unfortunately. Moderator 2: We’ll just ask…Kiran, would
you like to ask Sadhguru a question? Speaker (Kiran Muzumdar Shaw): So Sadhguruji
you said that you know we should not be a problem but a part of the solution and you
also talked, I know that you’re so committed and concerned about the rivers of our country
and you also basically try to engage the country, youth and various parts of the society to
really understand what this issue is. How successful have you been up to now in getting
people to understand why they need to be part of this solution? Sadhguru: The last part of the question I
like because making people understand is the biggest problem. As you know that you are
also part of that Rally. When I started speaking about rivers, you won’t believe at least twenty
to twenty five percent of the media across the country went on reporting that Sadhguru
wants river linking to happen. I went on saying this is not about ri… river linking. This
is about river revitalization. Ahh yes, yes river linking (Few laugh). I’m saying professional
reporters, reporting like this all over the place. Some I think by intent, to just to
mislead the public. Some it’s fixed in their head, rivers means linking. Because so many
people have spoken about linking they think it’s about linking. This is a fundamental
we need to understand. Our rivers in this country are largely rain fed or forest-fed
rivers. Only four percent of our river water is glacier fed. We are always trying to do
what Europe does or America does. Most of our modules we picked up in the form of dams,
in the form of canals. This is all imitation of European way of doing things but they are
temperate climates. Here we’ve only forty to forty eight days
of precipitation or rain in a year. This forty eight days of rain that comes down, we are
supposed to preserve in the land for three hundred and sixty five days, the only and
only way you can do this is to enrich the soil and keep it in shade. There is simply
no other way. There is no great technology involved in this. It needs a forest. The land
should be full of humus and there should be shade. Only then rivers will flow. They, for
example in Europe, the precipitation is anywhere between hundred-and-eighty to hundred-and-ninety
days in a year and their precipitation is not in the form of rain, it is in the form
of snow. If one foot of snow falls, it will take another fifteen, twenty, thirty days,
sometimes to melt and slowly drip in. If you count that also as precipitation, those number
of days where it’s dripping in. Then the precipitation goes up to two-hundred-thirty to two-hundred-forty
days. So two-hundred-and-forty days of precipitation, forty-five days of precipitation. Can you
address these two problems the same way? Then, immediately people will jump and say,
you know, Israel is doing a great job. Please understand Israel is transforming desert into
a fertile land. We are transforming a very fertile land into a desert. These are two
different things (Applause). So have we managed to make the whole nation understand? Maybe
not. But we’ve managed to make the central government understand, NITI Aayog understand,
a few state governments to understand and the policy, almost eighty percent of the recommendations
are already in the policy and budget is being allocated for at least about twenty to…
twenty to thirty percent of the policy, budget is being allocated. It is less than a year
I think it’s very, very agile response from the government (Applause). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): It’s phenomenal. Sadhguru: And United Nations took this up
in a big way and on March, twenty-second which was the “World Water Day,” we launched
what is called as a decade of action because the recommendations we have made, is relevant
for all tropical nations. So decade of action has been launched by United Nations, behind
which there is a budget of some two point billion dollars (Applause). So where people
should understand, they’ve understood. Rest of the population also should understand,
it’s very important. But this Rally for Rivers all of you should understand, was driven mainly
to make policy changes. First thing they will ask is where shall we plant trees? I said
no, you don’t plant trees. What should we…What… What should you do? There are three things
you should do. You must me… give a missed call, you must make your friend give a missed
call and make his friend give a missed call and that’s all you do. Missed call will it bring up a river? No,
this is a democratic society. Here unless there are numbers, nothing will change, you
need numbers (Applause). And because we got hundred-and-sixty-two million people supporting
the Rally for Rivers, which is the largest moment ever on the planet (Applause). Because
of that… because of that overwhelming support from all the people in the country, we gave
the policy document to the Prime Minister at 6:15 or 6:20 in the evening. Next day morning
by about eleven o’clock, we get a call from the PMO (Referring to Prime Minister Office)saying
Prime Minister has formed a special cell and they want a soft copy of the policy. I thought
that’s fantastic. That’s never happened in this country before. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): That’s really
something, Guruji. That’s awesome. Round of applause (Applause). I will also give miss
calls. Sadhguru: It’s those missed things… (Overlapped
conversation). No that time is over missed call now (Laughter). Missed call business
is over. Now I told you, you must stand up for the youth of the country (Few laugh). Moderator 2: Ranveer here’s a question for
you. How do you manage to pull off that bundle of energy, all that bundle of energy? Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I don’t know.
I don’t know. Everybody asks me this Guruji how are you so energetic? And I really don’t
have an answer. I think I’m really excited about life. I’m really like enthusiastic.
I want to do many things, have many experiences, I have a zeal for life, a lust for life, I
love it, I love people, I’m… I’m hungry for experiences and I don’t know, I don’t
know everybody asks me this question all the time what is the, what is the secret of your
high energy and I really don’t know what to say. Sadhguru: (Gesturing like a whisper) You must
just tell them you’re still young (Ranveer Singh Laugh). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I’m still young. Sadhguru: They should ask me that question
to me Sadhguru… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): You’re also like
this so full of life… Sadhguru: _____(Unclear) why are you so energetic
then I would tell them something. You must just say I am still young man, what are you
asking such a question? Please… Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): How do you…
how do you… sometimes I feel like I hope I can keep it up, you know. I hope I don’t
get jaded with everything that I see around me. Sometimes I get very disturbed. I watch
the news and I get, I get really like… it really gets me down. Do you watch the news? Sadhguru: Always. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): I get …I get
depressed sometimes… Sadhguru: Lot of people think the Ostrich
trick will work. Ostrich trick does not work with life. If your living in a protected atmosphere,
it may work for some time. Hiding from the realities of life is not an answer. So do
I… Do I get to watch the news every day? Maybe not, but I keep abreast of news some
way? But about your concern about will I be able to keep this up? Well it’s very much
possible for every human being, if they just do a few things right with how they sit, how
they stand, how they breath, how they eat. If they just take care of a few things, a
simple process. Every human being is capable living in a very energetic way throughout
their life. Most of them are sitting wrong, standing wrong, bre… breathing wrong, eating
wrong and they’re wondering why it’s not working. It doesn’t work like that. In this life, in
this planet unless you do the right things, right things won’t happen to you (Laughs). Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): So many other
things I wanted to ask yaar. Yeah. Moderator 2: The session needs a fitting finale.
So we have request from the audience can we see Ranveer and Sadhguruji dancing together
on stage (Applause/Cheers)? (Laughter) The music that will be chosen by the organizing
team (Sadhguru laughs). Sadhguru: Why (laughs)? No, no they didn’t
come to see me dancing. This is somebody who is not here and anyway this questioner cannot
see right? He’s not here? Ohh they are here, let’s organize a party in the evening. Participants: Few minutes. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Few minutes?
Sir,main kitne karod letha hun few minutes ke (Speaks in Hindi – I take how many crores
for a few minutes) (Laughter/Applause)? Sadhguru: let the managers negotiate and then
we will see. Interviewer (Ranveer Singh): Sir I’m ever
ready. You know me. Moderator 2: So can we have the music please? Sounds of Isha music – Tamil song Alai Alai…

Comments (100)

  1. Good for Ranveer. Thanks to his knowing when to joke and when not to joke, he created safety for people to hear what Jaggi is saying. Bravo, Ranveer!

  2. The result of my game is bad i
    did not check astrology.

  3. What an edutainment !

  4. difference between kangana and ranveer – just watch both videos and you'll know ๐Ÿ™‚

  5. 4:07 ranveer let guru to sit first. what a start ๐Ÿ™‚

  6. Ranveer Singh is exuberant and intelligent person. He is energetic like a child and wants to learn from Sadhguru…. He didnt interfere rather was listening to him very enthusiastically. He expressed his energy whenever he said anything in between and Sadhguru liked it too. He is like his disciple and the conversation was quiet evident of this

  7. Like if you also want SADHGURU with SRK or Amitabh

  8. Bravo! We really do need the same things, esp. love โค๏ธ๐Ÿ™ Jai Guru Dev

  9. Satguru konsa nasa krta h bhai meko bhi chahia

  10. both of them are brilliant in their fields. sadhguru is treat to listen

  11. Love the dancing at the end, made me laugh and smile.

  12. " We can measure thoughts and emotions." " Even thoughts and emotions are physical."
    Kuch bhi matlab!!

  13. I dnno why ppl r bashing ranveer….ths is pointless….ths is the way he is….i loved the chemistry b/w these two….its pointless to get offended….grow up guys i dint expected such comments specially ppl who follow sadhguruji

  14. unwanted noise at 21.17 i lost to hear the imp i feel

  15. Blessed by the mystic guru..!!

  16. what a conversation!!
    big fan of sadguru's explanations!
    i am a follower of his thoughts .
    his energy is as same as ranveer! wow….

  17. and yes …what a dance!!!
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  18. Bouncer ja rha h sab Ranveer ko

  19. Every time I watch it I have goosebumps ๐Ÿ˜Š

  20. People seem to be missing the point of this discussion. We got to hear someone ask questions from the average person's perspective. Ranveer represents the people who are willing to learn from Sadhguru.

  21. In starting i can't listen audio and its very funny

  22. What happened to sound at first 20min.

  23. Ranveer very arrogant.. present moments material success gone to his head..

  24. Awesome explanation… For day and night

  25. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™ Namaskaram Guruji ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™

  26. I was already a fan of Sathguru….. After watching this ….. I became a fan of Ranveer too ….. he is very Audacious and non pretentious …

  27. What's the outro song played at the end of vid?

  28. 35:35 saying such chumma things ๐Ÿ˜‚

  29. loved it, is so great to see Sadhguru dancing, it shows he is such a down to earth guru and I always enjoyed his moment of laughter, thanks so much for sharing. I just recently read one of the inner engineering from Sadhguru and he said if we constantly say this to ourselves" My responsibilities is limitless , if I am willing I can respond to everything". You will see the change in yourself after some time"quoted sadhguru. Bow down to you Sadhguru. Thanks to Ranveer for being there too though i am Malaysian and do not watch Indian show, I think you are great too.

  30. The dance of sadhguru ji at 1:29 omgโ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ

  31. Ranveer the seeker! Proud star hifive!

  32. He donโ€™t have manners to sit in front of A Guru. That shows his upbringing

  33. KAHA SE ATEY HAI AISE LOG…

  34. Why is the sound of this video os corrupted?

  35. Man he is too above everything you have ranveer please spare him at least from your stupidity and have some basic etiquette of sitting in front of a guru

  36. After listening to this blissful conversation between these two legends , the ending dance moment made this event amazing.โค๏ธ

  37. Was Ranveer on drugs…grow up Bhai

  38. I can call it's a rude behavior by ranveer. Teach him some common sense, he's not speaking with his girl friend giving flying kisses nd all. This is so ashamed….

  39. Sadguruji is best and I think ranveer needs to show respect in his words and body language when sitting in front of Guruji

  40. Sadh guru ji you are amazing and I really changed by your thoughts. Thank you so much for being on this wonderful planet.

  41. Mr. Ranveer, You appear soo immature.

  42. Guruji danced๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ

  43. Sadhguru makes me laugh!!!! He is sooooo funny!!!! This actor is is a smart and very open person.

  44. I find so much life in Ranveer.He is so lively

  45. Sadhguruji you are boon to this nation and world.I haven't seen a so eloquent orator like you!seriously sadhguruji you are a rockstar ๐Ÿ˜love you sadhguruji ๐Ÿ˜Šyour words have changed me as a person๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

  46. It's 2019 I love it and you can see even Sadhguruji praises the current government i.e Modiji

  47. How ranveer Singh shouted 'Ye chup kar' !! It was bad

  48. Telugu man with north guy speaking English and dancing in Tamil song

  49. Sadhgurus fav football player from Columbia……. @14:15……?

  50. Sadhguruji you are a rockstar๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜

  51. the way he does namaskar …is so real….literally had tears rolling down ….thank you sadguru jii and ranveer..

  52. One thing common both very simple and know to laugh.

  53. Don't Try to act Smart infront of SathGuru…

  54. Ranveer is exceptional character..and he was seems to be honest and handled quite naturally ..but our Stereotypes did not fill good on his few movements.

  55. How can Ranveer put his leg up in front of a guru..! Such a disrespect..

  56. 20:26 watch from here [Starting]
    ๐Ÿ‘‡๏ธ

  57. Please give the name of last song..

  58. Those who want to learn, learn; Those who want to criticize, criticize. We don't get anything by judging a person.

  59. Sadhguru : how did deepika accepted you ๐Ÿ˜ณ

  60. I hope Shah Rukh Khan does a session with Sadhguru

  61. thankyou sadhguru

  62. What is the last song.. Anyone plz tell me

  63. Sadhguru my hero

  64. 3:44 that killed me

  65. I don't like the concept of dancing but watching Sadhguru dance so joyfully gave me an insight that people like me can also dance provided we feel the rhythm of music in our soul!!๐Ÿ™

  66. Ranveer should learn some etiquettes how to behave in public.
    He is just behaving like a kid.

  67. See the hug at the end..Ranveer respects Sadhguru

  68. Ranveer Singh doesn't really qualify as a human being to ask questions to Sadguru. Ranveer's IQ is comparable to Tanmay Bhatt. just because he can converse in English doesn't imply that he is knowledgeable

  69. Ranveer is too hot!

  70. This video has really terrible audio. Completely destroys such an awesome interview and discussion.

  71. Why there is everytime song playing during entry man.

  72. well everyone appreciating ranveer's energy level but does he not know how to sit in front of elders?

  73. I want Sandeep Maheshvri with Sadhguru

  74. Ranveer is a good translator for those who otherwise would arrogantly focus on agreeing to disagreeing ๐Ÿ™‚ truth is simple and thus ignored.

  75. I request you sadguru ji.. please do not bring this fool again in your campaign.

  76. Totally appreciate Ranveer being very naive and taking jokes on himself and asking questions which cross our minds as well. Kudos to this person. Sadguru : No words needed.

  77. Yeh kya gazab kar diya karne vale ne , kisko kiske saamne lake bitha diya….epic mismatch

  78. When Sadhguru danced it felt like it was the ending of a movie or something with the background music. Awesome.!

  79. Awesome ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿค‘

  80. 3:20 he's often called MISTAKE ๐Ÿ˜‚

  81. Would also like to hear a conversation…. Sharukh khan with Sadhguru

  82. OMg, I am laughing like anything.

  83. Sound is not clear

  84. I would like to see conversation between Shahrukh Khan and Sadhguru..

  85. Sadhguru dancing almost brings tears to eyes…I don't even know why…but that small moment, I can watch forever…๐Ÿ™‚

  86. Look at the moderator, she introduced Ranveer as fluent but while introduced Sadhguru she was thinking. This is our future.

  87. Ranveer sing is totally blank and he has not acquired the ability to talk with such a GuRu

  88. Love sadghuru. But this actor is trying to act cool, and has no depth.

  89. Ranveer is really cringeworthy ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
    Especially when juxtaposed with Sadhguru ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

  90. Watch Vijay Deverakonda with Sadhguru!

  91. great talk, thank you @!

  92. Ranveer is the biggest chutia of Bollywood.

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